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White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) Revenue-to-Profit Sankey Flow & SEC XBRL Financials

$2,269.99 +1.09% NYSE • Live Quote vs Prior Daily Close (Synced Snapshot) EXT / AFTER-HRS: $2,279.89

White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) earns a Roarable Rating of B- (Buy) with 70/100 RQD Confidence. High-quality cash engine (steady margins, 16% return on capital) with steady institutional support. The company’s underlying cash engine and institutional positioning keep the composite score in the Green Buy zone.

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ROARABLE B- • BUY Cap $5.42B

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As of 2026-11-03, White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (NYSE: WTM) is rated B- (Buy / BUY) by Roarable's 5-pillar RQD engine with a composite confidence score of 70/100 at a spot price of $2,269.99 (+1.09% 1D, market cap $5.42B). Pillar breakdown: Fundamental Cash Engine 9/20, Institutional 13F & Options Flow 14/20, Executive Insider Alignment 15/20, FRED Macro Regime Fit 14/20, and SEC Balance-Sheet Forensics 18/20. Across 1096 tracked Financials issuers, WTM ranks #100 in composite RQD confidence.

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Within the Financials sector (Property-Casualty Insurers), WTM carries a Roarable B- (70/100 RQD), trailing P/E of 4.8x, gross margin of —, and ROIC of 16.4%. By comparison, MCY (Mercury General Corporation) holds a B grade (72/100 RQD, P/E 10.5x, ROIC 22.4%, cap $5.67B) and MTG (MGIC Investment Corporation) posts a B grade (72/100 RQD, P/E 8.0x, ROIC 13.2%, cap $5.83B). Among the 5-stock peer group, WTM leads on earnings multiple (4.8x) while MCY leads on capital efficiency (22.4% ROIC).

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🤖 Gideon Ashmere • AI SEC 10-K Forensics (Click for Instant Brief) What are the biggest fundamental strengths and SEC risk factors for WTM?

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Per WTM's SEC EDGAR XBRL 10-K filing (FY2025, filed 2025-12-31, CIK 0000776867), White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. generated $3.73B in revenue (+66.8% YoY), $1.11B in net income, and $382.4M in free cash flow against $12.31B in total assets and $2.72B in total debt. Key quantitative strengths: Company leadership has skin in the game with net positive insider conviction.. Primary risk factors monitored: Broader market pullbacks can still drag down strong stocks in the short run.. Institutional options positioning shows a 50% call / 50% put premium split.

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INTERACTIVE SCENARIO DECK:

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EXT / AFTER-HRS: $2,279.98 (+0.44%)🧬 Cannibal Buyback (-2.92% YoY Shares)⚙️ Cash Engine: 9/20 (D) • 10.2% FCF Margin

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📊 Historical Track Record: Scores of 70/100 (B-) historically ranked in the Top 15% of excess returns over the next 90 days (+6.6% avg 90D alpha vs SPY • 68.1% hit rate).

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5-PILLAR SNOWFLAKE RADARRw C+ · Rk B

Each axis scored 0–20

12M PRICE TARGET CONE+5.4% Base Target

WHALE OPTIONS SNAPSHOT: — (No Active Options Snapshot on file for WTM)Realized 20D OHLCV Swing Band: ±3.9%

Deterministic 5-Pillar Attribution (70/100 Composite)

🔍 WHY WTM SCORES 70/100 (B-) — TOP 3 DRIVERS2 Bullish Pillars + #1 Risk Drag

▲ #1 Bullish Driver: Insider Conviction & Share Dilution+18/20 pts (26% of score)

SEC Form 4 / 13F Thermometer: 86% Net Buy • Cannibal Buyback (-2.92% YoY Shares)

▲ #2 Bullish Driver: SEC 10-K Forensic Risk+15/20 pts (21% of score)

Altman Z-Score 3.80 (FORTRESS SAFE (>3.0)) • Piotroski F-Score 8/9

▼ #1 Drag / Risk Factor: Cash Engine Quality9/20 pts (-11 pt drag)

Capital intensity & 35% operating margin leave 11 pts on the table

📈 PAST 4 QUARTERS RQD vs SUBSEQUENT RETURNQ1 → Q2 → Q3 → Current

Q1 (-3Q)

Grade C+$2,098.01+5.3% Next Q

Q2 (-2Q)

Grade C+$2,209.95-0.1% Next Q

Q3 (-1Q)

Grade B-$2,208.58+2.8% Next Q

Current

Grade B-$2,269.99+6.6% Hist 90D α

Trajectory: C+ (62) → B- (70)Full Audit →

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Even with a 70/100 (B-) score, WTM faces multiple-compression risk if 4.8x trailing P/E re-rate toward historical sector medians or if hyperscaler/enterprise customer concentration slows in upcoming 10-Q filings.

⚠️ Forensic Kill-Switch #1

Broader market pullbacks can still drag down strong stocks in the short run.

⚠️ Forensic Kill-Switch #2

Dilution & Margin Drag: Cannibal Buyback (-2.92% YoY Shares) — any gross margin slip below 93.4% triggers an automatic RQD downgrade.

⚠️ Forensic Kill-Switch #3

Technical & Forensic Kill-Switch: A daily close below the 50D SMA ($2,109.81) or 200D SMA ($2,139.78) invalidates the momentum regime and cuts Target Base ($2,392.57) toward Bear Floor ($1,861.39).

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VISUAL REVENUE-TO-PROFIT SANKEY WATERFALL • FY 2025 (10-K)

How WTM Turns Every Dollar of Sales Into Real Bottom-Line Profit

Free Cash Flow:$382.4M (10.2% FCF Margin)

Multi-Year SEC EDGAR XBRL Revenue, Net Profit & Free Cash Flow Trajectory

■ Revenue■ Net Profit■ Free Cash Flow

FY23

Rev $2.17B

FY24

Rev $2.24B

FY25

Rev $3.73B

Fiscal Year	Revenue	Gross Margin	Op Margin	Net Profit	Free Cash Flow	ROIC %
FY 2025	$3.73B	95.9%	35%	$1.11B	$382.4M	15.2%
FY 2024	$2.24B	98.7%	12.1%	$230.4M	$486.0M	3.9%
FY 2023	$2.17B	92%	27.7%	$509.2M	$306.6M	26.7%

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2026-11-03O $2,245.5H $2,270.0L $2,245.5C $2,270.0VOL 20.6K

RES: $2,281.9SUP: $1,951.6SMA50: $2,109.8SMA200: $2,139.8

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Share Count & Dilution Monitor (#25)

Multi-year comparable XBRL diluted share count not disclosed (ETF or recent listing).

Reverse-DCF Expectations Hurdle (#30)

-14.7%/yr Implied 5Y Growth

vs. +66.8% actual YoY revenue growth (assuming 9.25% cost of equity & 16.5x terminal multiple).

Ellis Vennor Setup Ledger (#33)

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📊 Quantitative Sector Peer Comparison, SEC Filing Delta & Investment FAQ (WTM)

Financials Rank #100 of 1096 ⚔️ MCY vs WTM Full Matrix →

1. Head-to-Head Financials Peer Comparison (WTM vs. MCY, MTG, SIGI, RLI)

Industry: Property-Casualty Insurers (68 Tracked Issuers)

Across 1096 tracked Financials securities in the Roarable RQD universe, White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) ranks #100 by composite RQD confidence (70/100, grade B-) and #259 by equity capitalization ($5.42B). Within this direct 5-issuer industry benchmark cohort, WTM leads on earnings valuation at 4.8x trailing P/E, while MCY leads on capital efficiency and profitability with 22.4% ROIC and — gross margin. RLI currently holds the highest overall quantitative score in the immediate peer group at 80/100 (B+) compared with WTM at 70/100 (B-).

Ticker / Company	Roarable Grade	RQD Score	Trailing P/E	Gross Margin	ROIC	1D Change	Market Cap	Head-to-Head
WTM ACTIVE White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd.	B-	70/100	4.8x	—	16.4%	+1.09%	$5.42B	Benchmark Subject
MCY Mercury General Corporation	B	72/100	10.5x	—	22.4%	-0.22%	$5.67B	/mcy-vs-wtm →
MTG MGIC Investment Corporation	B	72/100	8.0x	—	13.2%	-1.52%	$5.83B	/mtg-vs-wtm →
SIGI Selective Insurance Group Inc.	B	74/100	12.6x	—	6.8%	-0.49%	$5.83B	/sigi-vs-wtm →
RLI RLI Corp.	B+	80/100	14.7x	—	13.5%	+0.94%	$5.98B	/rli-vs-wtm →

2. Multi-Year SEC XBRL Revenue, Cash Flow & Balance-Sheet Trajectory (FY2023–FY2025)

SEC EDGAR 10-K • FILED 2025-12-31 • CIK 0000776867

In its most recent audited fiscal period (FY2025, filed 2025-12-31), White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) reported GAAP revenue of $3.73B (+66.8% vs. FY2024 revenue of $2.24B , and +72.4% cumulative change since FY2023) , GAAP net income of $1.11B, operating cash flow of $550.5M, and free cash flow of $382.4M (-21.3% YoY). On the balance sheet, WTM closed FY2025 with $12.31B in total assets against $2.72B in total debt (Altman Z-Score: N/A, Piotroski F-Score: 8/9).

Fiscal Period	Filing Date	Revenue	Net Income	Operating Cash Flow	Free Cash Flow	Total Assets	Total Debt
FY2025 (FY)	2025-12-31	$3.73B	$1.11B	$550.5M	$382.4M	$12.31B	$2.72B
FY2024 (FY)	2024-12-31	$2.24B	$230.4M	$586.8M	$486.0M	$9.93B	$2.16B
FY2023 (FY)	2023-12-31	$2.17B	$509.2M	$404.1M	$306.6M	$2.95B	$689.7M

3. WTM Data-Verified Investor FAQ (RQD Rating, Sector Peers, SEC Forensics & Technicals)

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Is WTM stock a Buy, Hold, or Sell right now according to Roarable's RQD model?

How does WTM compare to MCY and MTG in the Financials sector?

What are the biggest fundamental strengths and SEC risk factors for WTM?

Where is WTM trading relative to its 50-day, 200-day, and 52-week technical levels?

WTM last traded at $2,269.99 (+1.09% on volume of 20,587 shares), positioning the stock +7.59% above its 50-day simple moving average ($2,109.81) and +6.09% above its 200-day simple moving average ($2,139.78). Across its 52-week range of $1,870.00 to $2,333.00, WTM sits at the 86.4% percentile with a 14-day RSI of 71.9 (OVERBOUGHT (>70)) and an implied next-earnings move of ±3.9% ($2,181.46 to $2,358.52).

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How profitable is White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM)?

In FY 2025 (10-K), WTM converted $3.7B of revenue into a 95.9% gross margin, 35% operating margin, and $382.4M in free cash flow (10.2% FCF margin).

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WTM — White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd.: What the Facts Mean to a Prospective Investor

Engine: anthropic/claude-haiku-5.5

As of: 2026-11-02T15:20:24Z

Roarable Rating Brief: What This Means to a Prospective Investor

Per the Roarable RQD rating, WTM scores 70 / 100 (letter grade B-), with the verdict label "Roarable Buy — Sound Institutional Accumulation." Pillar breakdown:

Fundamental Cash Engine — 9 / 20. Per the RQD rating, ROIC is 16.4% and FCF yield is 7.14%. This is the lowest-scoring pillar, indicating the cash-generation case is comparatively weaker than the other inputs.
Whale 13F Flow — 14 / 20. The rating cites institutional accumulation and options positioning. Specific 13F holdings are not itemized in the source data.
Insider Conviction — 18 / 20. The highest-scoring pillar, citing SEC Form 4 and Congressional PTR cluster flow. The underlying individual transactions are not itemized in the source data.
Macro Regime Fit — 14 / 20. Per the RQD rating, beta is 1.06 and sector sensitivity is factored in.
Forensic Balance Sheet — 15 / 20. Per the RQD rating, Altman Z is 2.5, Piotroski F is 8/9, and Debt/Equity is 0.5.

For a prospective investor, the rating points to strong insider and balance-sheet signals offset by a comparatively modest cash-engine score. Upside drivers in the data are the insider cluster activity and the forensic strength; the valuation tradeoff is that the market data shows a low P/E (4.8 TTM, 4.2 forward), which the news flow itself frames as potentially below fair value, a claim that is an unverified headline rather than a sourced valuation model. This is educational analysis, not personalized financial advice.

Snapshot

Metric	Value
Price	2245.46
Market Cap	$5.36B
P/E (TTM)	4.8
Forward P/E	4.2
EV/EBITDA	4.3
EPS (TTM)	463.56
Dividend Yield	0.05%
Beta	1.06
52-Wk Range	$1863.6 - $2333
ROIC %	16.4%

Business

Per the company profile, White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) is a NYSE-listed issuer in the Financials sector, operating in the Property-Casualty Insurers industry. The source data does not describe specific products, customer segments, or revenue-generation mechanics beyond the sector and industry classification. Per the SEC financials, the company reports revenue, operating income, and net income across FY 2023–FY 2025, but the source does not break these down by business line.

Financial Trend

Period	Revenue	Operating Income	Net Income	EPS	FCF	Cash	Debt
FY 2025	$3735.0M	$1305.6M	$1106.4M	N/A	$382.4M	N/A	$2723.1M
FY 2024	$2239.8M	$271.9M	$230.4M	N/A	$486.0M	N/A	$2157.6M
FY 2023	$2166.7M	$600.9M	$509.2M	N/A	$306.6M	N/A	$689.7M

Per the market data, operating margin is 36.1%, net margin is 29.6%, and gross margin is 0%, with ROIC at 16.4%. Per the RQD rating, the Altman Z-Score is 2.5 and the Piotroski F-Score is 8/9. Per the SEC financials, debt rose from $689.7M (FY 2023) to $2723.1M (FY 2025), and the RQD rating reports Debt/Equity of 0.5.

Recent Catalysts & News Wire Analysis

Per the recent news section, six headlines are on file for WTM, all tagged to the symbol:

Valuation headline (YELLOW, MARKET WIRE): A Yahoo Finance-sourced report titled as suggesting the stock "May Be 40% Below Fair Value As Excess Returns Hold."
Estimates item (YELLOW): A TradingView estimates page for NYSE:WTM.
Revaluation thesis (YELLOW): A Yahoo Finance piece on efficiency and AI supporting a revaluation thesis.
Moving-average crossover (YELLOW): A MarketBeat report stating shares crossed above the 200-day moving average.
Estimate cut (RED, RISK WATCH): An ad-hoc-news.de report stating Dowling cut its full-year 2026 estimate to USD 106.20. This is the only item flagged as a risk.
Earnings calendar (YELLOW): A MarketBeat item on the Q3 2026 earnings date and estimates.

The Butterfly Supply-Chain Graph lists supply chain as NONE, with no butterfly links and no proprietary signals.

Open Questions

What is the specific basis for the "40% below fair value" claim, and which valuation model underlies it?
What drove the increase in debt from $689.7M (FY 2023) to $2723.1M (FY 2025), and how is it serviced?
Why are EPS and cash reported as N/A in the financial periods when net income is available?
What is the basis for the USD 106.20 full-year 2026 estimate, and how does it reconcile with the current share price?
Which institutions and insiders make up the "accumulation" and "cluster flow" activity cited in the RQD pillars?

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🟡 MARKET WIRE Yahoo Finance • 18h ago

White Mountains Insurance Group (WTM) Stock May Be 40% Below Fair Value As Excess Returns Hold

Yahoo Finance report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🟡 MARKET WIRE TradingView • 21h ago

White Mountains Insurance Group, Ltd. Estimates – NYSE:WTM

TradingView report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🟡 MARKET WIRE Yahoo Finance • 1d ago

How Efficiency and AI Support White Mountains Insurance Group, Ltd.’s (WTM) Revaluation Thesis

Yahoo Finance report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🟡 MARKET WIRE MarketBeat • 1d ago

White Mountains Insurance Group (NYSE:WTM) Shares Cross Above Two Hundred Day Moving Average - Here's What Happened

MarketBeat report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🔴 RISK WATCH ad-hoc-news.de • 1d ago

Dowling cuts full-year 2026 estimate for White Mountains Insurance Group stock to USD 106.20

ad-hoc-news.de report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🟡 MARKET WIRE MarketBeat • 1d ago

White Mountains Insurance Group Q3 2026 Earnings Date and Estimates

MarketBeat report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🔴 RISK WATCH ad-hoc-news.de • 1d ago

Dowling cuts 2026 estimate for White Mountains Insurance Group stock

ad-hoc-news.de report covering White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. (WTM) market action, institutional positioning, and fundamental catalysts.

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🟡 MARKET WIRE MarketBeat • 1d ago

DOWLING & PARTN Issues Pessimistic Estimate for WTM Earnings

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WTM Bull vs. Bear Conversation Board — What's Your Call at $2,269.99?

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RO RoarDesk_Moderator Roarable Research Desk 🐂 BULLISH 🎯 Target: $2,649.64 (+18.0%)

📌 Pinned Debate

🔥 Official Bull vs. Bear Debate: Is WTM (B- • RQD 70/100) a Buy at $2245.46?

Welcome to the WTM (White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd.) Roar Pit. Current RQD Composite is 70/100 (Roarable Buy — Sound Institutional Accumulation) in Property-Casualty Insurers. Bulls point to capital efficiency (16.4% ROIC), while bears focus on macro rate sensitivity and margin execution. Pick your side (🐂 Bull or 🐻 Bear) and drop your price target below.

MU MultipleCompression Forensic Accounting Watch 🐻 BEARISH 🎯 Target: $1,729.00 (-23.0%)

Spot @ $2,245.46

Pump the brakes on WTM — check the valuation vs. margin headwinds

Everyone in here is repeating the bull case on WTM, but look at what you are paying: 4.8x trailing P/E with tightening sector spreads. Unless White Mountains Insurance Group Ltd. expands free cash flow yield next quarter, I would rather wait for a pullback closer to the 200-day moving average before touching this.

CA CashFlowKing Verified K Arena Trader 🐂 BULLISH 🎯 Target: $2,604.73 (+16.0%)

Spot @ $2,245.46

WTM cash flow & RQD setup is being underpriced by the Street here

Looking at the 5-pillar RQD breakdown on WTM, the market is fixating on short-term headline noise in Property-Casualty Insurers and ignoring the balance sheet and cash flow trajectory. At $2245.46 (52-wk range $1863.60 - $2333.00), any beat on forward guidance forces shorts and underweight funds to chase.